A loaf of homemade sourdough bread

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  1. Well, in an effort to clear up what continues to be a source of confusion for new bakers doing research.

    Folks, starter and levain, are exactly the same thing. Both are sourdough (typically, at least in my world!). The difference is what you’re doing with them.

    Typically the starter (also referred to the mother, or chef) is the established starter that you maintain, typically in the refrigerator. I maintain 60 grams (g) and feed once a week if not baking. Throw at least half out, feed back 15g of water and 15g of flour to build it back up to 60g total weight (making this a 100% hydration starter) and put it back in the fridge. Voila. This is the continuing maintained sourdough starter/mother/chef.

    The levain (sometimes called a sponge as well) is made by taking a portion of the starter/mother/chef, feeding it with more water and flour to build it’s volume and get the yeast active and multiplying. Then the entire levain/sponge is consumed when mixed into the recipe being prepared.

    If you use all of your starter/mother/chef to build your levain, before you mix your dough you need to make sure to reserve a portion of the levain to put back into the fridge as your new mother culture.

    Bakers, especially authors, toss those two words around interchangeably, and it confuses the bejeebers out of new folks. Relax and have fun. It’s bread, it’s cheap to make more.

  2. Terminology sometimes further confused the process. For example, autolyse simply means mixing flour and water, and leaving it for few hours to break down starch into sugars.

    So, my question is when should the starter be added to the dough? Before it is re-fed or after it is being refreshed with feedings? Or perhaps it does not matter to refresh the starter (known as levain) but add them to the autolysed dough as there are ‘food’ in the dough to feed the hungry starter, isn’t it?

    1. Add the starter (levain) to the autolysed flour. The point in the feeding regimen at which you add it will determine things like rising time and some flavor characteristics. Experimentation is key, here!

  3. Excellent article! I used to bake sourdough frequently, but now find maintaining the starter to be too much of a hassle. Love the taste, though.

    1. You actually don’t have to continue to feed it. I learned by accident. I keep my starter in a glass jar in the back of my refrigerator and forgot about it for about 3 months because I wasn’t making any bread. It will build up lactic acid on the top (clear liquid), dump that out… do not stir it…

      Pour out the starter into a glass bowl 50g starter, 50g flour, 100g water… mix, and take 100g and put it back in the the glass jar and place it back into the refrigerator.

      Take the rest of the 100g starter and cover it with plastic over the bowl. 2nd day add 50g flour / 50g water… 3rd day 50g of each… and 4th day I add my final 50 g flour plus 25g spouted wheat or rye and 100g of water..

      And the following day I make my bread with the 400g of leaven.

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  5. No need to throw away starter. Only make the minimum you need and keep scrapings on the side of the pot in the fridge. The scrapings will dry out. Then take it out if the fridge when you need to make a bread. Add the necessary water for just the amount of starter you want, For exemple add 50 g water and clean your pot with it until scrapings on the sides are washed then add 50g of flour I add rye as I find the starter is the most active. Let the pot overnight and wait untill end of morning or lunch time and when the starter us double size or more use 44 g or even 50 g , keep the scraping and put your starter pot back in the fridge. The starter will dry out and keep weeks after weeks. You do not need to add more flour than you need for the starter so you have no discard and no loss of flour. Too expensive to throw away good starter. Dry it on a piece of flexipan and store it dry. Or make pancakes or waffles for breakfast.

    1. Thank you, Therese! Once I found the “no discard” method, I was all in. I do not waste anything – unnecessary! If I do have some “discard” because I wanted to feed my sourdough pups, I simply store the “discard” in the fridge and when I get enough, I use it for recipes that all for it. Again, no waste.

      THANK YOU!

  6. Too much pretentious baking terminology and way too complicated. I use a ceramic tagine in a 240 degree (fan) oven and the dough simply gets turned out in that, lid put back on, and bakes for 40 mins. No fiddling with temperatures and perfect results every time.

    1. I’m glad that works so well for you! It is true that experienced bakers might not need to rely on thermometry as much for doneness, but pro bakers certainly rely on it for the pre-baking process. Your technique sounds great, but might work differently for someone with a less reliable oven, etc.

  7. Some say to use All Purpose Flour and others say a more tough flour such as wheat and rye for the daily levin/starter which is better?

    1. Interesting question, because rye is actually not a very tough flour! Rye has a relatively low gluten content. I like to use a 50/50 mix of rye and bread flour. (Rye is particularly beloved by most levain yeasts…they love the stuff and will grow quite healthy on it.) Experiment. Find what gives you the flavor and texture profile you like.

  8. Are you talking about an electric oven when you say to preheat for an hour? Or is it a gas oven?

    We can’t understand how the oven will be hotter after an hour when the timer says it is at temperature.

    1. The point is to make sure the cast iron pot is very well heated and that there is plenty of heat put into the walls of the oven. After the preheat cycle finishes, there is still a pretty large temperatrue fluctuation for the first 15 minutes at least, so we’re trying to get well past that.

  9. very useful esp the proofing temperature and how we can adjust the time accordingly. as a beginner i always second proof the bread 1.5-2 hrs and it turns out soggy and moist in the middle. no bubbles form. i saw your pictures and learned that maybe i didn’t proof long enough esp bcoz room temperature is 20 degrees. thanks!

  10. Why make it so complicated? I teach “No Fail Sourdough” at a local university. The goal of the class is KISS “Keep It Simple S… (student, sweetie, stupid). I provide an original San Fransisco Boudin Bakery start. It came from Boudin’s mother bread several years ago. Direction – feed it about every other week or when it gets low. After feeding, leave it at room temp for 8 hours, then store it in the fridge. To bake, use 1/2 cup start from the fridge, 2 cups filtered water (no chlorine), 4 cups any local flour, bread or AP flour. Mix, rest 1/2 hour, add 1 tsp salt, 1Tbsp water, mix, rest 30 minutes, turn and fold 6 folds every 30 minutes for 2 hours (4 turn and folds). Divide into 2 loaves, shape, oil and flour 2 stainless steel 8″ dia x 3.5” deep, $1.30 bowls. Put the raw loaves in the bowl, cover with a 2nd bowl. Put them in the fridge for 8-24 hours. Take from fridge and proof room temp 1-2 hours. Heat oven 475 F, put bowls with bread in 20 minutes covered. Remove cover and bake 8 minutes until brown. Cool 30 minutes +. Done. This is simple and inexpensive.

  11. The information and photos here were very helpful to me while making my much-awaited first rye sourdough starter and good rye bread loaf. It turned out beautifully.

  12. I appreciated the exactness of your information. As a new sourdough mama I am very happy saving my discard and trying to use it up in everything from cookies to pasta rather than throwing in the garbage as you instruct. Thanks again for all this great info on temperatures for my sourdough adventure. : )

  13. You left out the last crucial temp step! What is the best temperature to
    slice freshly baked sourdough?

    And if you are in a warm environment, is there a minimum amount of time?

    Your article says: “Allow the bread to cool on the countertop for at
    least an hour.” Other advice on the ‘net is to let it sit until it
    reaches room temperature.

    I’ve never seen a loaf get anywhere near room temperature for a number
    of hours so it seems “more scientific” to be given a specific temp. (And
    might make the waiting a little easier.)

    1. Good question! I’d say getting down to 105°F should be fine. To hat, and you loose moisture to steam, and the bread hasn’t “set up” fully yet. But we all want melty butter on a fresh slice! Also, to be frank, I often ignore that advice and slice a floppy, hot slab to slather with butter and jam well before I SHOULD.

  14. Do you recommend any changes for altitude? I am at 5800 feet, just below the 6000 foot I see in much information on altitude adjustments.

    I especially appreciate not only the “what’s” and “how’s” of making sourdough bread, but the “whys”. Great article.

    1. Thank you for the compliment. No, I don’t recommend any elevation changes, but some people say their breads do beater at higher elevation with a slightly reduced hydration. If yours isn’t lifitng the way you want, maybe try cutting the water a little.

  15. I’ve been successfully baking sourdough loaves for a few years now, and mostly do things the way you explain. I’ll share the minor differences in case people want to incorporate them. First, let me say that I did a *lot* of research before attempting this the first time. I also invested in some equipment that made sense to me and could be useful for other cooking/baking. We used to have a baking stone that got broken; that was one thing – but I bake on parchment directly on mine. I also bought a large, deep “lasagna” pan that is fantastic as a roasting pan for whole chicken. I use it over top of my loaf, to catch the steam from a cast iron pan with boiling water on the floor of the oven. In other words, I don’t use any type of container for the bread. I also bought a really good scale so I can weigh my ingredients – so much more accurate than US cup measurements.

    Even with all the articles and how-to’s I read, my first few loaves were definitely trial and error! But once I hit on a method that reliably produced what my family loves, I’ve done it ever since. As you say, it seems like a lot of steps – and it is – but they are second nature now. I bought my starter from a company that took theirs directly from San Francisco to their home base in Toronto, Canada. I do my feeding similar to what Therese shared, although I like to leave about 20g of moist starter in the jar, not just the side scrapings.

    I am going to incorporate one specific step in your method: reserving a bit of filtered water to sprinkle over the salt when I add it. I can see how it will make it so much easier to blend in the salt! Thanks for a good article.

  16. I just baked two loaves of sourdough at 475 F and had trouble with the parchment paper sticking quite badly to the loaves. One was baked in a cast iron Dutch oven and the other one in a glazed clay pot.
    The parchment paper says that it is good up to 400 and I see that some are rated to 450.
    Would using the 450 paper work at 475?
    Any other suggestion on how to avoid having the paper stuck to the crust?

    1. Interesting, I’ve never had this problem before. I would try the higher-rated stuff first, but if that’s not working either, you may consider dipping the bottom of the bread in cornmeal before baking (not an easy task, I know). That should form a crunchy, (mostly) nonstick surface on hte bread itself. You could also lower your bake temp to 450°F, which is still plenty hot to give you the nige crust you want.

  17. A lot of very welcome information.
    So from the figures, one COULD potentially bulk ferment in the fridge, but would take roughly 4 times as long?

    1. Absolutely. I have bulk fermented in the fridge when I started baking too late in the evening, and it turned out great.

      1. So, would you then take the bulk ferment directly out of the refrigerator and shape it, or let it rise to room temp before shaping?

  18. Thanks for all your details. I have made sourdough a few times and had questions about if I was doing it right. I appreciated your explanations as to why and what is happening. I feel like I understand the process better now. thanks

  19. I had been feeding at 1:1:1 ratio.

    So for your example of 30g starter, I was adding 30g water and 30g flour, (rather than your method of 15g and 15g).

    Was I misunderstanding the concept?






    1. Yes, you were, it seems. By 30 g starter, we mean the starter itself, not the value of its components. By 30g we mean 15g water and 15g flour.

  20. Great recipe. I have used it for a few years and appreciate its specificity and explanatory nature, but I have a question. After coming back to the recipe after a break, I see the folding method is in the recipe description, but no longer in the recipe itself. Is this a change? I would love to know more.

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