Fresh bread

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  1. Martin,
    Great information on the importance of temperature during bread making.
    As a serious home cook and bread maker, I’d like to mention the importance of using a kitchen scale to weigh your bread ingredients. Preferably metric versus standard weights.
    Consistency is achieved in bread making by being exact, as your entire article described. From my own experience, knowing optimal temperatures and exact weights of your ingredients give you the best recipe for consistent results.
    Regards-
    DS

    1. Dan,

      You are absolutely right! An accurate kitchen scale is every bit as important for quality baked goods as is an accurate thermometer. Every serious home baker should have one.

      1. For example, when you call for 3 tsp of salt in your recipe, that can vary quite a bit. Is it kosher salt, fine sea salt, table salt? Please tell how many grams. And what is 1+ TBSP of yeast?

        1. Mike,
          You are right, mass measurements are far better than volumetric, and there is wide variation in salt densities. I used 3 tsp of Morton’s coarse kosher salt in this recipe. I don’t know off the top of my head how many grams that is. 1+ Tbsp is slightly more than a tablespoon, but if you were to use just 1 Tbsp it should be just fine, though it may take a little longer to rise fully.

    1. Mary,
      Rich doughs like Brioche are cooked to 180–190°F (82–88°C), so slightly lower than lean dounghs.

  2. This is why I always read your material: You have detailed, useful articles with professional advice about cooking. Sure you mention thermometers, but you never push them. Keep up the great work of being one of the most useful food resources out there! (Not to mention offering excellent products too.)

  3. Not sure if this is wrong or right but I use my oven as the proof box. Have found by turning on the oven light it maintains a temperature of 90 to 95 degrees. I monitor it with my ChefAlarm with the air probe. If it gets to warm then I crack the oven door to maintain the 90 to 95 degrees. Also enjoyed the article as it contained some good info…..John

    1. John,
      A light in the oven is a great way to proof your bread, especially if you monitor it with a ChefAlarm!

  4. Confused about your recipe measurements. Are these in volume or mass? i.e. is 25.5 oz of AP flour, as listed in the recipe, equal to 722.9 grams?

    For my cooking needs, all measurements use the metric system, thus no confusion as to ounces weight (mass) vs ounces liquid (volume).

    As as suggestion, when publishing a recipe ingredient list, it would be beneficial to also list the needed ingredients in metric. This will better server the audience that is accustomed to the wider use of the metric system around the globe.

    1. Jim,

      Fair point! Yes, this was given as a measurement of weight with the equivalent 722.9 g. We will think hard about metric units for everything else. I myself use metric for bread baking at home, too!

    1. Scott,
      Yes, it’s probably your screen. Mobile device? We’re working on that! it should read 25.5 oz of flour. Sorry for the inconvenience!

    1. Fred,
      It sounds like you are reading the blog on a mobile device? I’m trying to fix the layout, but it is 25 1/2, not 1/2 ounces. Mobile layouts seem to remove the 25.

  5. I live in the New Mexico mountains at an altitude of 7,000 ft. Is there an adjustment in the “done” temperature?

    1. Tony,
      An excellent question. For bread to be ‘done’ means that the proteins have coagulated enough to be rid of the doughy, raw texture, and enough gasses have expanded to create the crumb structure.
      High altitude does not affect the temperature at which the proteins coagulate, so there is no problem there. And since we aren’t cooking the bread to an internal temperature at which steam is produced, we don’t need to worry about the steam forming the crumb inside the bread.
      What will be interesting, perhaps, is that steam will form more easily in the outer depths of the bread, possibly creating a more open crumb structure around the edges than in the center. I’d be interested if this is the case!
      All in all, I don’t think that the elevation will play a role in bread doneness. It can have effects on highly-leavened items such as souffle, or even an angel-food cake. But for bread doneness, no effect should be noticed.

  6. These proofing/rising and baking temps are different than the temps you published on page 37 (thermotip: Bread) of the booklet that came with your thermometer. I’m going to use these new temps.

    1. Jerry,
      Good catch! I went back and compared what I wrote to the printed material, and I agree with your choice to go with what I have here on the blog! I did catch one thing though: I had published the fastest temp, 95°F, while the best temp for a balance of flavor and speed is 85°F. I have edited the blog accordingly. Happy baking!

  7. Are there any “Keto” friendly bread recipes out there? If so, do the temperature profiles equally apply to those recipes?

    1. Jon,
      I know of no such recipe, as bread is a complex interplay of proteins and starches (carbs). However, if there were such a recipe, I am fairly certain the temperatures would remain the same. The same heat is needed for protein coagulation to occur and for the needed leavening gasses to form, so it shouldn’t change. Of course, the gelatinization of starches is going to be something that is less important, as starches are just complex carbs and you’ll be trying to leave those out as much as possible.

  8. (once more, with proof reading)

    My oven has a “proof” setting that I’ve measured as 100 degrees Fahrenheit, which is hotter than the yeast like, but will my big soggy mass of loaf get anywhere near that temperature in the time it takes to proof? I guess not, but it would be nice to have a reference curve or a rule of thumb or two regarding how fast how much comes to equal how hot an oven.

    Thanks for any thoughts

    1. Oliver,
      Interesting question. The temperature curve will, of course, differ the deeper into the dough you get. The surface of the dough will get to 100° fairly quickly, while the center may not reach that temp by the time the proofing is done.
      I don’t think I could come up with a reference curve because there are so many factors at play: mass and composition of dough, shape of proofing bowl, exact oven temp, and initial dough temp will all have an effect on the time/temp curve.
      However, if you could use a ChefAlarm or other leave-in probe thermometer to monitor the internal temp of the dough, making sure that it doesn’t get too hot. You could also try running the proof setting for several minutes, turning it off, and then putting the dough in for it to proof. As the oven cools slightly, the dough will be warming into the optimal temperature.
      I hope this helps, and I’m sorry I don’t have the differential equation skills necessary to provide you with the graph that, honestly, I’d love to see, also.
      Happy baking!

  9. Hello,

    If I own a Dot instead of a ChefAlarm, is there anything I would be missing out on? In other words, would a Dot be just as effective in all of the steps listed above for the ChefAlarm?

    Thanks,
    Robert

    1. Robert,
      The DOT does not have all of the functionality of the ChefAlarm. However, depending on how you want to use it, that might be fine! The ChefAlarm has both a high and low alarm so you can be alerted if things reach a certain cooling point. It also has min/max functions that allow you to track peaks and troughs in your temperature curve and has a timer. But for bread baking, we’re mostly concerned with getting up to certain temps, so a DOT will do everything you need!

    1. The DONENESS temp is 200°F (93°C). You do bake in the vicinity of 200°C, which is an odd coincidence.

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