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  1. This subject was on my mind just this week. Is this same process at work when pulling the meat for shredding? I was wondering when I put a large chuck roast in the crock pot – Although edible – when I took it out – it was not really shreddable – like I was hoping for. How does “doneness” play into pork, beef, chicken for shredding?

    1. John,

      Great question! What you’re likely running into with a cut like a chuck roast is the connective tissue. The collagen-rich connective tissue needs to break down and dissolve before the meat will be tender enough to shred. If you try shredding as soon as the meat reaches a target internal temperature around maybe 140°F, the connective tissue will still be intact and the meat will appear tough and dry.

      The collagen needs time in a higher temperature range in order to dissolve into succulent gelatin. Connective tissue begins to dissolve around 160-170°F. Cook your chuck roast until it reaches an internal temperature of 190-200°F and it will fall apart beautifully.

      Happy Cooking!
      -Kim

  2. Thank you for all the important educational information you provide. It’s always a great read on Saturday morning with a cup of coffee.

    1. Brian,

      Most excellent question! The reason for brisket’s high doneness temperature has to do with its high level of connective tissue. The connective tissue is mainly composed of collagen—a triple-helix protein structure. Its denaturation temperature is higher than that of myosin. It begins to unfold in the range of 160-170°F. Your brisket needs time at higher temperatures for the collagen to properly dissolve.

      If you pull your brisket around 140°F it’ll still be tough and dry. But giving it the time to gradually reach about 200°F will allow ample time for the connective tissue to dissolve into succulent gelatin. The cool thing about this transformation into gelatin is it’s able to absorb up to 10 times its weight in water. So the moisture that was once lost will be reabsorbed and you have a delicious lip-smacking brisket. I hope this helps.

      Happy Cooking,
      -Kim

      1. Good question & good answer! I assume this is also the case with the other common “low & slow” large piece of meat cooked as BBQ – pork shoulder?

          1. Good afternoon,

            I know I’m late to the party with this question but hopefully someone knowledgeable can respond.

            Can the same process of collagen breakdown into gelatin be achieved, and thus shredded tender brisket, if the piece of meat was kept between 160-170F in a sous vide and searing after to achieve the wonderful maillard reaction for colour and flavour? By not taking the brisket to 200F you will surely reduce the moisture loss based on your above article. Is there another reason we would want to take brisket to the higher temperature to aid in the “fall apart” texture of the meat?

            Many thanks,

            Shak

          2. At 160 you still get the same dry-out as you would at the higher temperatures, the proteins denature and squeeze extra hard starting at 150°F. You could certainly sous vide at 160–170°F, but at those temperatures the time for collagen dissolution will be LONG. Like, 36 hours long.

  3. Very informative. I do have a quibble about the introduction. Evolution doesn’t have a direction. We aren’t more highly evolved than our ancestors. We’re just adapted to a different environment, and our differences from our recent ancestors are likely as much cultural as biological.

    Well, there is a theory about the purpose of human evolution — we evolved to invent cars so that dogs could go for a ride.

  4. This article claims that resting meat can help recover from moisture loss. Dr. Blonder from Meathead Goldwyn’s BBQ empire has performed experiments to show that resting the meat does absolutely nothing. Could you please resolve this scientific conundrum. Both opinions cannot be true.

    1. Thank you, MeatEater for your insightful question. Yes, we have long disagreed with Meathead on the importance of resting meat, as he well knows. We adore Meathead and consider him one of the giants in the field, but we agree to disagree on this topic. And we stand by our own research and the food scientists that we quote. Hope this is helpful.

      Thank you,
      -Kim

  5. I watched a chef on a YouTube channel I enjoy test the idea of resting a New York strip steak. He tested the idea of resting, temp drop and moisture pooling. He cut seven NY’s at 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 and 12 minutes apart, all cooked to 130 degrees. The first right off the grill lost the most liquid. But the rest, from 2-12 minutes was negligible. Then the only difference was temp drop in the meat.

    I am sure you have tested this idea. What are your thoughts?

    1. Chris,

      Such a great observation. Credible experts such as America’s Test Kitchen and Kenji Lopez-Alt have also performed testing on this topic. In Kenji’s article, The Food Lab: The Importance of Resting Meat, He slices into steaks after resting for 0, 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10, and 12.5 minutes. His findings were similar to what you have described. The moisture retention of the steaks for longer than a 5-minute rest was negligible. For a steak, it seems to be most beneficial to let it rest for 2.5 to 5 minutes.

      Resting meat is important for retaining moisture, but also to allow carryover cooking to complete. The latent heat on the exterior of the meat will continue to travel to the thermal center of the meat until the temperature equilibrates, and this usually takes about 2-5 minutes in steaks. Meaning, if you pull your steak from the grill at 125°F, its internal temperature will more than likely rise to 130°F while resting.

      My thoughts are that resting is important for the eating quality of steaks, but you don’t need to stress about anything more than a 2-5 minute rest.

      Thank you for your question!

      -Kim

      1. Thank you Kim. On another fascinating meat temperature note, I purchased you Smoke Alarm and it is tops in the industry in my opinion. I LOVE that little guy!

        On a recent cook of a Tri Tip Santa Maria style with red oak coals, I had an amazing carry over of 18 degrees. It was amazing to watch. And the coolest thing was the Smoke was recording the highest temp on the right side of the main temp reading. Thanks for making something so easy to use and very well built!

  6. You got some ‘splaining to do Lucy.

    In the temperature charts, you label ranges, but introduce some “no mans land” between them. Whereas for the first two segments, the ranges are contiguous. Yes one person’s “medium-well” is another’s “well done”…but that will always be when we assign “names” to things that are more precise like temperature and temperature ranges.

    Why?

    What do we call meat cooked at 132.5? Medium-Rare-Medium? kind of like directions, ENE or NNE?

    Keep on cookin’ and keep on tracking temperature TW.

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